It was so fun. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. I like her personality though, mostly. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. Shes not going anywhere. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. You misunderstood. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. We never saw her effort to become that person. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. Its participation trophy trek. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. Harry wasnt annoying. It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. Why is that a command level position? They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. But then again Im not a troll. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). The accent is too colloquial. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. . Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. Loved that show, so did my wife. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. Xanadu? I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. Tilly once thought being captain was her biggest dream, but after a . Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". None of those thinks make a lick of sense. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? Although the last TNG with Trois mom wasnt terrible. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. But of course this being Star Trek they SPOILER ALERT bring her back to life! Come on she looks great. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. Rather than shaming them or acting like there are only a few kinds of women worth aspiring to be. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. 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Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. Im not surprised people making mean comments, some people will find whatever they can that they know will upset everyone and say it. Thats just a matter of preference. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. And thats a healthy outlook. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. They seemed to only be limited by what that particular script called for that week. Neither were annoying. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. advantage. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. Probably some admirals cousin. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. That is not anything to diss. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. 1:15. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. The doctor was usually the therapist. Star Trek: Discovery streams exclusively on CBS All Access in the United States and is distributed concurrently by CBS Studios . I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Diplomacy? Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). He was in the Travis Mayweather category. I know Gene Rodenberry never wanted Starfleet to be portrayed as a military outfit, but this has gone so far in the opposite direction that its being run like a pre-school participation awards ceremony. Actually, the production team is not helping either. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. She brings so much heart to the show. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. So I was also just very excited for the fans. This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Absolutely. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. She doesnt inspire confidence. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. The U.S.S. Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. I would encourage her to do the same. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. She is super meta. Thats the thing about DSC. Do you see that tension? Proceed accordingly. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Overcome her issues. Typical. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Its sci-fi, brah. But how the women look?! It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Everyone has their gifts. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly.