Fair enough. Look a fanboy. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. It may be a rotten trigger, but it does highlight the fact it has a much lighter trigger compared to classic semi-autos and revolvers. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. Give me a break. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. They function as commanded every time. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. He was told to shoot two rounds. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. Alec Baldwin fatally shoots cinematographer, injures director on set of . Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. Zero in the affirmative. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Search Texas Statutes. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Thats the same. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Why are Milwaukee police Sig Sauer guns accidentally going off? Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. Funny how that works. Then theres the fact that the branches of the military have put the P320 design through their own batteries of testing and found it duty worthy. Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? P320 X Compact is it safe CCW | SIG Talk The new Kirk does suck. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. They are being replaced with Glocks. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. Time will tell if no. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. Sig Sauer P320 9mm Gun: The US Army Loves It But There Is a Problem Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. I also have a manual safety. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. LOL! Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Did a Sig Sauer P320 Fire On Its Own? A Police Officer - 19FortyFive They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! there is no better. You have entered an incorrect email address! The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. He was told to shoot two rounds. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. It has nothing to do with Glock. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC Really? 3. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. I sold that pistol when I got it back. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. How about something more relevant. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Wounded by his own Holstered Sig Sauer P320, Veteran Tampa Police Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. You arent a gunfighter, either. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house.